Rutger Bregman is one of Europe’s most prominent young thinkers. The 32-year-old Dutch historian and author has published six books on history, philosophy, and economics. Rutger shot to fame on the back of his book Utopia for realists: The Case for a Universal Basic Income, Open Borders, and a 15-hour Workweek does what it says on the box. His latest book is called Humankind – A Hopeful History.

The short version of his thesis is that deep down humans are pretty decent – and if you expect good things of people, they’ll do good things. If you expect bad things of people, they’ll do bad things.

It’s an incredible read, very thoroughly researched, utterly enlightening and if you’re a fan of Gladwell, Pinker, Rosling or Harari – you’ll get a massive kick out of this book.

In this currently volatile, toxic and fearful climate that we live in – there has never been a more important moment to remember that we as a species got where we got by cooperating with each other.

I’ll let Rutger take you deeper down the path on that one, but let me tell you – I couldn’t be more happy, more proud and more grateful that now, this week, this moment is when we get to digest this conversation. LISTEN HERE.